Introduction
[00:00:00] Detective Ev: Hello there, Dr. Connors. Welcome to the Health Detective Podcast where we’ll be talking about hope for cancer patients today. How are you?
[00:00:03] Dr. Kevin Conners: I am great. Thanks for having me.
[00:00:05] Detective Ev: Yeah. For those that don’t know, Reed Davis was just on Dr. Connor’s podcast, so I would highly recommend going and checking that out. I’m not sure if that’s already released or will be released sometime in the future. But just in case, what is the podcast name so those people can go check it out.
[00:00:18] Dr. Kevin Conners: It’s Connor’s Clinic Live.
[00:00:20] Detective Ev: Cool. We’ll have that in the show notes for you guys, but definitely go over there and check it out. Reed, he’s on so many podcasts, but he always finds something new to say. A lot of our audience likes going and listening to the ones that he does as well.
One of the things that we always do on this show is typically talk about how people got into the space. We don’t want to necessarily spend a tremendous amount of time on that today because I’m just fascinated by what you do. But in summary, how did you get into this space? Because that was one thing I’m unsure of. Did you have your own health challenges, or did you just find information that led you away from the conventional path?
[00:00:52] Dr. Kevin Conners: Into the space of taking care of people in an alternative process, you mean?
Detective Ev: Yes. Yes.
Dr. Kevin Conners: Well, I became a chiropractor in 1986, so I’m an old guy. I’ve been doing this a long time. How I got into chiropractic is I had my own health challenges.
Hope for Cancer Patients: Rife Therapy
I was an athlete in high school and injured myself. I was blessed enough to have a mother that was very into alternative things way back then in the 70s. She brought my brother and I to chiropractors. We went to a chiropractor that did kinesiology and acupuncture and was very natural minded, a lot of nutrition. I knew at a very early age, at least when I was in high school, that’s what I wanted to be.
So, I went down that pathway immediately right after high school, planned out my college that way, and became a chiropractor in 1986. Really practiced functional medicine, though we didn’t call it that then. But what I do now is very different. So, I don’t practice chiropractic any longer. I gave up my license 15 years ago to be practicing what I do now.
How I got into this is a whole nother story. Now I see mainly people with cancer. That’s really 90% of our practice is cancer patients. Most of them are Stage 4, have been through the medical realm, and have gone down the whole standards of care protocols that didn’t work and now they’re seeking us out.
How that all started was my interest in Rife Therapy, which is light frequency therapy. That really was emerging back when I was in chiropractic school studying alternative methods, I read about Royal Raymond Rife. I thought, that’s just fantastic. I was drawn to that but felt, like, I’m a chiropractor for goodness’ sake. How am I going to treat cancer patients? I really had zero interest to treat cancer patients. Just wasn’t on my heart at all.
Hope for Cancer Patients: Giving up Chiropractic Care
Well, a lot of things happened through my practice. We ended up selling my practice. My wife and kids and I, we did full-time missionary work in Mexico for a period of time. Came back to practice and it wasn’t more than a year that we were back into practice that one of my patients came to me and she said, I have breast cancer in both breasts. They’re wanting me to do chemo and radiation, and I’m declining. They said, I only have three months to live.
That was my aha moment to buy a Rife machine. She lived another 13 years. Within that time, I saw more and more cancer patients come to me, really saw their writing on the wall. Got in trouble with the state board. They were after me all the time for what I was doing. Ended up giving up my chiropractic license so I could practice taking care of cancer patients. So, that brings us kind of up to date what we do with cancer.
[00:03:39] Detective Ev: Perfect. It’s interesting how many chiropractors I talked to that it was the same thing that leads FDNs into becoming FDNs now. No one necessarily went out and just randomly chose this path. They kind of had some experiences that led them to this.
Then most of the chiropractors I know, especially the ones that were doing it for a while, such as yourself, they end up adding in these functional aspects. It’s very cool to where you’ve taken that. And this was the reason Dr. Connors, we were so excited to have you on.
Hope for Cancer Patients: Ticking Time Bomb
Anyone that listens regularly knows whether intentionally or not, one of the things that we end up focusing on more often than usual is the autoimmune aspect of health conditions. I think that’s just par for the course in a lot of functional medicine. Because autoimmunity is a set of conditions that really gets mistreated in Western Medicine, in my opinion.
But cancer’s this whole other thing because not only does it get mistreated in Western Medicine, we already know that, but the problem is, there is this label on top of your head where you kind of feel like there is this direct, or in your patient’s case, indirect ticking time bomb.
We lost my aunt to cancer, unfortunately. They scare the heck out of these people so bad, and perhaps rightfully so. Because if you’re really dealing with a terminal cancer, you should clearly do something about that. I’m not suggesting that you shouldn’t. But it almost doesn’t even give these people time to think about all these other things that they can be doing lifestyle, and now cancer becomes their life.
So, these people are coming to you, like you said, pretty much almost at the end of the rope. Are they doing that because they’ve already tried Western Medicine and now, they feel like they need to go into alternative options?
Hope for Cancer Patients: Outside Pressure & Inside Pressure
[00:05:05] Dr. Kevin Conners: Well, we certainly do have patients that come to us because they’ve studied alternative methods in the past. Maybe it’s because they had an experience like you. They had an aunt with cancer who went the conventional methods and it didn’t work. They told themselves, I’m not going to do that when I get cancer.
We have those patients that come to us that haven’t gone down that path yet, but most of our patients have. And it is, I would say you hit the nail on the head, people are scared to death. I mean, you go to the doctor, and you hear the “C” word. It’s not only you that are scared. You might be positioned mentally in a way that I want to do an alternative thing, but you have family members that are pressuring you.
There’s a lot of outside pressure and certainly, there’s inside pressure in the medical realm. I can’t tell you how many times people have said they went to the oncologist for a lump in their breast, and the oncologist said, we need to do a biopsy right away. And they said, well, let me think about it.
They’re walking out the door to the car and they’re getting a call from that same clinic. They just walked out the door and say we need to schedule your biopsy. They’re like, hey, I told the doctor I need to think about it. Well, we need to get this scheduled right away. He said, we need to get this scheduled right away.
Hope for Cancer Patients: The Mental Stress
There are heavy pressure tactics by the medical profession in the cancer realm. I think that is so unethical and immoral, but it exists. To be honest, it works because these people do more often than not, get scared into going down a path that they at least had more time to think about, analyze, and pray about than they were led to believe. I think that’s a crime, honestly.
[00:06:48] Detective Ev: It is. It’s so sad because, again, I’m in this space. I’ve had experiences myself that led me to this. Honestly, Dr. Connors, I tried to put myself in my aunt’s shoes. Especially because she was diagnosed with a specific brain tumor that I can’t admittedly remember the name of offhand, but it was relatively rare. I tried to think like what would happen if I got that diagnosis.
I think even with all the information that I have now, it would get you going a little bit. Then you’re stressing out about the stress because, of course, we all know how bad the mental stress of this is for the body. So, it’s a shame what’s happening to these people.
Now, of course, I probably already know the answer to this, but I’m asking this question to lead us into a deeper conversation with it. One of the biggest arguments that you constantly hear from Western Medicine is that cancer, we’re just getting better at diagnosing it, it’s not that it’s actually more common. I think both can be true at the same time.
Obviously, we’re getting better at diagnosing it. But do you believe that cancer is actually just becoming more prevalent, especially since you’ve been working on this for a while? If so, what are some of the main factors leading to this?
Hope for Cancer Patients: An Early Diagnosis
[00:07:43] Dr. Kevin Conners: Well, statistically, you can’t argue that cancer is not becoming more prevalent. It is.
In 1971, when Richard Nixon signed a document issuing $20 million dollars or whatever for cancer research at that time, now it’s been exponentially more. One in 21 Americans, that was the statistic in 1971, one in 21 Americans would be diagnosed with cancer in their lifetime. Now, it’s one in three, and some more recent statistics, it’s even worse than that.
So, we are losing the war on cancer using our conventional model. Yes, we’re getting better at diagnosing it and we can diagnose it faster. All the early diagnosis benefit is that they start care earlier. They can show a kind of a rubber number, greater success rate because their success rate is completely based on a five-year status.
So, by the day you’re diagnosed, if you’re diagnosed January 1st, 2020, and you lived till January 2nd, 2025, and you died, you might have lived a horrible last three years of your life, you’re still going down as a cure. That is listed as a cure in their statistics, so that their treatment is listed as a cure.
If you were five years and one day past your date of diagnosis, you’re cured. Well, you’re dead. Okay, how did that work out? That’s really the push for early diagnosis so they can start care earlier. The time clock can start ticking earlier.
If you’re diagnosed stage 4 cancer, you just got diagnosed last week, the chance from the care protocol of you living five years is probably not that great. So, they want an early diagnosis.
Hope for Cancer Patients: Open to Both Sides
I’m not saying that all doctors are evil looking for numbers and their statistics to rise. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not even against standards of care. I think there’s lots of times that coupling alternative things with chemotherapy or radiation and debulking surgery, it’s the right thing to do. I sometimes have to talk people into doing that.
Don’t think I’m this alternative doctor that hates oncologists. But I do disagree with the ethics of many oncologists that are out there. I don’t think it’s in the best interest of the patient to always do what they’re recommending.
[00:10:02] Detective Ev: I greatly appreciate you saying that. I should have brought it up already, but I can imagine with a title like this podcast, we might get a unique listener or two. That’s usually what happens with any podcast. So, if they’re listening for the first time, they might not get that, yeah, FDN is in alignment with that. You’re in alignment with that.
This is not an against-Western-Medicine thing, and especially with cancer. I don’t think I could be any more for it because you’re going to have to mix these things in. I don’t necessarily believe at all that my aunt was wrong for getting the surgery that she got pretty soon after getting that diagnosis. It was the next three years that was ridiculous to me in how they tried to handle this afterwards.
So, especially with cancer guys, this isn’t medical advice, but you’ve really gotta be open to both sides, I think, if you want to have some success with this. I’ve seen plenty of people go with autoimmune disease for many years and really didn’t even do anything Western Medicine wise. Then they can handle it through functional medicine, fine.
Hope for Cancer Patients: What Cancer Is
This a different ball game and a lot of the times cancer is fatal. You want to tread a little lightly and do everything that you can, and respect people’s decisions.
So, in terms of this, it’s happening more and more, what do you think are the biggest things outside of the obvious, right? We could all generally say diet. I think our audience is advanced enough to know that. What are the main things though that are leading to these increases in diagnoses.
[00:11:18] Dr. Kevin Conners: First, let’s understand what cancer is. I know your listeners know, but it is really, it starts in one cell. It’s not caused from a genetic issue. It’s something got inside the cell and disrupts the DNA in the nucleus.
Normally cells reproduce and then the mother cell, you could say, dies. This takes place multiple times a year. Your skin cells reproduce, the mother cell dies, and that skin flakes off. That’s how your body ages too. That’s how your body continues to heal.
But it’s when your cell goes in rapid replication, something is affecting the DNA and causing the cell to go into rapid replication. Replicating cells that are going into rapid replication has this same thing wrong with it. Something had to get inside the cell.
Now, when we were uncovering the genome a number of years back, we were thinking, well, maybe this will uncover the cause of cancer. Well, it didn’t. It wasn’t a genetic source. There are very few cancers that have a pure genetic source to them.
Hope for Cancer Patients: It’s Almost Always a Toxin
It’s almost always a toxin. You know, it can be a biotoxin that gets inside the cell, a virus that affects that, or a fungus. But most commonly, by far, it’s a toxin that gets inside the cell. It could be a heavy metal, could be a chemical from a fertilizer, pesticide, herbicide. That’s really the thing that is the cause of cancer.
Then you look at, okay, well our rate of cancer is going up so high. Well, are we exposed to more toxins? Are we exposed to more chemicals? Your listeners, you don’t need to be convinced that we are exposed to more chemicals. Even if you’re trying to eat a perfect diet organically, through your mouth is only one source of exposure to toxins.
It might be one of our smaller sources of our exposure to toxins you absorb through your skin. You absorb fastest through your lungs, you’re breathing in poisons all the time. You might be trying to eat organic food all the time, but this carpet is gasifying right now, and whatever this shirt was dyed in. We’re breathing in this stuff.
We are exposed to so many poisons that we absorb, and our body has to get rid of. What you don’t get rid of becomes a part of you. And it doesn’t just sit in your extracellular spaces. It gets pushed into intracellularly, and intracellularly, it can affect other things in your cytoplasm. Certainly, if it gets into the nucleus and affects the nucleus, it can be the cause of cancer. It can cause that rapid replication.
Hope for Cancer Patients: Getting the Toxins Out
The bottom line is, from a functional medicine perspective, the best thing you could do for your non-cancer patients is to help them understand the processes of detoxification. That it’s not just a one thing you’re going to do every quarter and take this little package and detox yourself. It is a daily process. If you are not detoxifying what you’re absorbing through whatever means today, it’s going to become a part of you, and it increases your risk of cancer.
You talk about autoimmune disease; it can be the antigen that sparks an immune reaction against your own cells and be the cause of autoimmune disease as well. So, it is really the big issue with ill health period.
[00:14:52] Detective Ev: I think this is segueing us into a really fun part of this conversation, as fun as this can be. I wanted to talk about your methodologies and the things that you’ve learned.
People, especially when they’re new to this space, they focus a lot on the overwhelm of the toxins, as we should be. We just discussed that. We’re loading up so much stuff into our world, it’s incomprehensible. But we also forget that human beings were still exposed to things throughout history, maybe way less than now, but still exposed to things. We could also talk about this side, it’s a perfect storm.
Yes, we have more chemicals and toxins in our environment than ever before, but at the same time, we are also destroying or limiting our ability that we naturally have to detoxify these things. Oversimplified, but if you’re getting a good night’s sleep, one of the things that sleep can do is help your body move those things out.
Hope for Cancer Patients: The Seven Phases of Detoxification
So, if we’re sleeping worse than ever before, we’re eating whatever it is, like 16, 17 times a day on average, if you count every time someone consumes a calorie and you never give the gut a break, we’re now worsening our body’s ability to detoxify and we’re loading it up with more toxins than ever before. So, we have the perfect storm.
I love that we already got to the idea that detoxification is not something that you do once a quarter. I’m not condemning anyone; I don’t want to do that. But I cannot believe how often I see that even in the functional space, oh, I’ll just do this cleanse every few months. I don’t think that’s how it’s supposed to be.
You’re talking about daily processes. So, what are some of those daily things that people can start doing or that you help patients with?
[00:16:19] Dr. Kevin Conners: Well, it gets a little complex actually. I wrote a book about it; The Seven Phases of Detoxification and people can download it.
[00:16:26] Detective Ev: We’ll have that in the show notes for you as well.
[00:16:27] Dr. Kevin Conners: But it is dealing with all these seven phases. You know, we learned about the three phases in our liver. Well, I didn’t hear about the other four phases.
Everybody wants to start with chelation. Oh my gosh, I did a hair analysis and I have high mercury, so I need to start a chelator.
Hope for Cancer Patients: Supporting All the Pathways
Well, you have no business starting a chelator unless all your other six phases are open. Because if you’re going to start pulling stuff out of the tissues and it does not have easy access to go through phase 1, 2, 3, in the liver and get through the gallbladder and be bound in the gut so you don’t reabsorb it and be deposited in the toilet, you’re just going to make yourself sicker.
The Seven Phases of Detox are really talking about the chemistry of detoxification. You have to be able to have healthy bowel movements that you’re getting stuff deposited in the toilet, a healthy urinary system that you’re getting stuff out of your body. Also, you have to be binding stuff in the gut these days because we’re exposed to, especially women with estrogens, it’s the number one thing that you’re going to reabsorb. You have to be binding this stuff up in the gut.
If your liver is doing all this work to conjugate things and to make things soluble, and then to put it into the bile, and then to get it into the gallbladder and from the gallbladder into the small intestine, and then you’re just reabsorbing it and the liver sees it again, I can just picture your liver screaming like, what is going on?! Didn’t I just get rid of you three days ago?
You know, we have to be supporting that on a constant basis before we start trying to chelate stuff out of the tissues because our hair analysis came back elevated. We have to be supporting all those pathways.
Hope for Cancer Patients: The Neurology of Detoxification
So, when you got a toxicity test, like a hair analysis, and it does come back positive, that’s just your sign. That’s just, hey, this person is not getting rid of stuff very well. Not, this person was exposed to a lot of mercury. Well, we’re all exposed to a lot of mercury. We’re supposed to be getting rid of it. You need to support these pathways.
Most of your listeners understand everything that I just said, but somebody who doesn’t could download my book. I go into detail in the seven phases of detox that I call that. But one of the things that I think we miss, and I think that practitioners could often miss is the neurology of detoxification.
We talk about the chemistry of detoxification. You gotta use binders, and you gotta make sure you’ve got a lot of fiber, and you gotta make sure you’re supporting phase one and phase two in the liver, and all these kinds of things. That’s talking about nutrition, that’s talking about supporting things chemically. So, that’s the chemistry.
But we often overlook the neurology. What controls all of our cell’s function, what controls our detoxification pathway is the neurology, and that is your vagal nerves. Your parasympathetic pathway controls both. We’re really hot to trot on that with our patients because your parasympathetics also control your immune system.
If you want to stimulate your immune system, you have to stimulate your parasympathetics. If you want to stimulate detoxification, you have to stimulate parasympathetics. You talk about, well, that is number one, or at least high up in the rankings of why we can’t get rid of what you alluded to, why we can’t get rid of our toxins, even though we might be doing so many things right.
Hope for Cancer Patients: Stimulate Your Parasympathetics
We live in a sympathetic driven world. We’re all stressed to the hilt; our to-do list is overflowing. The pressure from home and work and thinking that we have to live in a million-dollar house and drive these fancy cars, everybody’s living over budget.
The stress is, even though you might think you’re really good at handling it, I’m sure your parasympathetic system is suppressed. You’ve gotten really good at successfully mitigating your sympathetic drive, but that doesn’t mean your parasympathetics are actually functioning.
Then we have a suppressed immune system, we have a suppressed detoxification pathway among a lot of other things, we end up long-term having heart issues and blood pressure problems and diabetic problems. Your parasympathetics control your insulin function control, so many things.
You as a practitioner, if there’s practitioners listening, get good at teaching your clients to do parasympathetic exercises. Yeah, it’s possible to say, get rid of your stress in life. But start focusing on that, start doing some parasympathetic stimulation.
It’s easier for us when we’re dealing with cancer patients to get people to do coffee enemas, one of the best parasympathetic stimulators. But in my book, I have some more detail of different silly neurological exercises that really help stimulate parasympathetics and some others that help calm the part of the brain that controls the sympathetics, which is the mesencephalon part of the midbrain, some exercises that will help calm that. That is a key thing that I think a lot of us practitioners, including myself, forget about sometimes, the neurology of this.
Hope for Cancer Patients: Stress and More Stress
[00:21:34] Detective Ev: I would agree. Because even when you said that it’s like, okay, is it a brand-new concept? No. Would I even be listing that as the top important things if I had to guess what to do with a cancer client? Probably not. I wouldn’t put it up there as much as I maybe should.
Again, I can’t stress that enough what I was saying before. The irony of this whole cancer thing and the way that we approach it as a society is there is no way that this person’s body isn’t under stress to some degree, because otherwise they never would’ve gotten cancer most likely. Then we scare the heck out of them and start treating them like this human from another planet. Grant you, it’s in a good way a lot of the times.
Everyone was very sympathetic to my aunt and supportive of her. But I think that’s probably stressful in a way. I haven’t been through that, but I would imagine. She was a high-level professional, go figure, before the diagnosis. Now everyone’s almost looking at you as like something that you need to be taking care of in a week, that’s gotta weigh on your mind. You are already stressed coming in, you have even more stress now.
I love that that’s incorporated in something like your book. I wish I had more time between the time of scheduling, and I would’ve liked to read it, but I’ll still get back to it. Then maybe if there’s another podcast to be had in the future, based on what I read, I’d love to do that. But we’ll have that in the show notes for people.
Hope for Cancer Patients: Learning From Each Other
You also offer courses. One thing I didn’t fully understand, those courses, can they be taken for practitioners, like for practitioners to learn to help their clients? Or would they be more for the consumer?
[00:22:48] Dr. Kevin Conners: Well, they’re really for the consumer. We have practitioners that take the course. We do have Q&A times on the course, but we don’t allow practitioners to say, I have a patient that has this. That’s not what that’s for. But we’re here to help anybody.
Anybody that we can, we are here to help. We’re here to try to educate as many people as we can. I stand on the shoulders of other practitioners. I’m no great hero in the health field. I stand on other people’s shoulders, and I know that people need to stand on my shoulders, learn everything they can from me and from my mentors.
Our society is flippy. Practitioners used to ask me when I used to do a lot of teaching to practitioners, aren’t you afraid that the medical profession’s going to come after you with what you’re doing? At the time, this was a number of years ago, I really wasn’t. I felt like things were loosening up and the standards of care field was loosening up, becoming more acceptable of alternative practitioners.
In the last three years, boy that just flip flopped completely back. I feel like sometimes we’re back in the 1950s when Hoxie was thrown into prison and his clinics were closed up and the things that burgeoned the Mexico cancer clinics because they were shutting down anybody that wasn’t doing what they thought was the right thing to do, we are moving more back into that field.
Hope for Cancer Patients: We Need More Grassroots Education
So, the more we can educate young practitioners in the functional perspective to do grassroots education where you’re small enough and they’re not going to come after you.
Hey, I just fought off a state board issue and just settled it two weeks ago because they came after me again six months ago. Well, they just ended up dropping it because I didn’t do anything. But this is what we’re faced with.
So, the more that you could do grassroots education to give people hope where they’re not getting hope and get people to calm down and just to look that there’s other things that they can add that can really increase their survival rate, It can just save people’s lives.
[00:24:54] Detective Ev: I appreciate so much of this, especially this idea that you stand on the shoulders of these other people because it’s never that I’m so wise, right?
I’m a younger person, but I’ve been through these health issues for so long and got exposed to this so early that it led me into this path. I don’t really take that many one-on-one clients and they wonder, well, why do you do the podcast and speaking then, and not that? It’s because one, I just think that’s my specific role. We need to share this with as many people as possible.
I see exactly what you’re talking about. When it’s one high level, very well known, infamous even, doctor doing this, it’s pretty easy for them to shut it down. When we have millions of practitioners running around out there doing the work, spreading the word, and educating people, it is what it is.
Hope for Cancer Patients: A Level Playing Field
Clearly, we don’t get political on this show, but I think anyone that listens to this, regardless of what side of the spectrum they fall on, it doesn’t even matter, because we all are in agreement that the way the alternative healthcare field was treated over the last three years is absolutely awful.
There is a meme that I saw online, and you can get something from memes. It’s more a political cartoon than it is a meme. It had what was supposed to be millions of people basically hunched over and their backs are flat, and on top of their backs is a board game, right? There were only a few people playing the board game.
The whole idea was, all the people ever had to do was just stand up and the game’s over, that’s it. You can’t do anything. There’s no fighting, there’s no war. It has nothing to do with that. You just stand up and the board game’s over. I think that’s what we need to do, right?
This is why we do the podcast, is to get this out to as many people as possible. Just let them know that there’s alternative options. Because if enough people stand up, the game is over, and people can have a level playing field. They can still go to Western Medicine; we encourage it as you already did multiple times in this podcast.
But for them to not even have these other options, to then be treated in an unethical way, as you mentioned, with these rush tactics and scare tactics and fear mongering, that’s not a level playing field. That’s just straight up not fair.
Hope for Cancer Patients: Everybody’s Different
[00:26:47] Dr. Kevin Conners: It is, and I totally agree. I, a hundred percent would agree with everything you just said. We just need to be educating people. Keep teaching, keep teaching, keep teaching. That’s the key.
[00:26:59] Detective Ev: Obviously, you can’t get into the nitty gritty, every case is complex, but you mentioned that you take on a lot of stage 4 patients. How would the approach be different, if at all, with a stage 4 patient versus someone who maybe just got diagnosed with a cancer that is actually not typically that deadly or at the very least has a long rate of survival? Would those treatments be different in your world?
[00:27:18] Dr. Kevin Conners: No. With our patients, everybody’s different. The way we do the testing, we get a cheek swab from people. We test specifically what we want them to be on and what we want them to be doing. So, we don’t have set protocols.
It doesn’t make any difference to me if you’re stage 4 and you’ve got two weeks to live, or you’re stage 1b. It doesn’t make any difference; we still need to tack it.
A person can move from stage 1 to stage 4 relatively quickly. Many times, when they come to us with stage 4, they don’t have a lot of hope because, why didn’t they come to us earlier? Well, sometimes people got diagnosed when they’re at stage 4 and they didn’t have that option.
But when they’re stage 4, and they’ve done two years of standards of care, they haven’t really looked at any alternative things to this point. Now they’re told, oh, it’s not working, you’re going to need to contact hospice. Now they freak out and then they contact us.
Hope for Cancer Patients: Calming the Fear
They’re fairly scared. Our job is to give them hope and say, you haven’t even done any of this yet. Let’s start from ground zero here and build your body up.
We see people turn around. I don’t say that we have success, I give all the credit to God. God is your healer. But we see some pretty miraculous things in our office. So, it doesn’t scare me at all if someone is stage 4, we just gotta get them to not be fearful.
[00:28:35] Detective Ev: I know it must be pretty darn hard to acknowledge this in the moment, but you would think fear would be the last thing you want to feel because obviously it is just going to accelerate that stress on your body. Again, that’s coming from a place of ignorance, thankfully, of not having dealt with this. I’m sure that’s easier said than done. But it’s nice to have a practitioner like you in front of them or online or wherever that has that calmness with it. I’m sure that builds their confidence a little bit.
Whenever the cancer thing comes up, because we’ve done well over 200 episodes on here and it really is only a thing that comes up every now and then, maybe once every two months on average, can I just hear one of like the best stories that you’ve ever had? Maybe even a stage 4 person where they come to you thinking that they’re at the end of the line and it’s just worked out really well. Even if they didn’t cure the cancer, maybe it was just an extension of life. I’d love to hear something like that. I think that’s good for the show.
Hope for Cancer Patients: Client Success Story (1)
[00:29:23] Dr. Kevin Conners: Well, we have a lot. Matter of fact, that was one of the things that the board came after us for, cause we had a whole page full of video testimonials that people had made. They did testimonials at home, and they sent us the videos, they were so thankful.
But one of our most memorable patients, he passed away now, but he came to us a number of years ago. I remember him because he looked like my dad. I went through my father’s death and my dad passed away from heart disease and kidney failure, but I remembered what he looked like because his face was just ashen the last few weeks.
This man came to us looking like that. He came in and he said he was given two weeks to live by Mayo. We were in Minnesota at the time, so I see a lot of Mayo patients. Two weeks to live, by Mayo, and he said, my wife just wants me to come in here and do whatever you have to do. That’s when we were doing a lot of treatment in the office at that time.
He just reminded me of my dad, and I literally had to excuse myself from the room and just kind of recompose myself because I was just like, oh Lord, why did you send me this guy? You know, this is just really a bad memory. My dad had just passed away just shortly before that. Well, he started care with us and he is coming in every day for that first week.
Hope for Cancer Patients: Client Success Story (1) cont.
Then he says at the end of the first week, he goes, oh, I won’t be here next week cause my son’s coming in from California. We’re going to go hunting. I’m like, oh my goodness. So, okay. Well, Lord, maybe you just sent him here to get better so he could go hunting with his son. I’m okay with that. I’m okay with that.
Well, I kind of thought he’s probably not going to be back. I don’t know what’s going to happen to this guy. Such a sweet, older guy, he was in his late seventies. Sure enough, he comes back in the week afterwards. He goes, okay, I’m ready. Back to start again. He just kept getting better and better and better and better and better.
Well, he lived another three and a half years. When he passed away, his son, who I never met, ordered an autopsy because his son was convinced, my dad didn’t die of cancer. Well, prior to him coming to us, he had stage 4 pancreatic cancer with metastasis to the stomach and the liver and the esophagus when he came to us.
So, his son ordered an autopsy and read the autopsy report at his dad’s funeral. It said there was no cancer present. He died of cirrhosis of the liver caused from the chemotherapy that he had prior to coming to us. That was a moving story.
I still haven’t met the son. But the son was just so convinced that what he did alternatively saved his life or at least for another, let him live. He died at, I think he was 83 years old or something when he passed away. Of course, he’s not alive today, but he lived for a lot longer than two weeks.
Hope for Cancer Patients: Client Success Story (2)
We have another pancreatic cancer patient. She’s out over seven years right now. She was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer when she was pregnant. They told her to have an abortion and to start chemotherapy right away. Instead, she came to us. Never had an abortion. She had the baby, never did any chemotherapy. She’s completely absent of disease according to her oncologist.
We have lots of stories like that, but we don’t cure everybody. You know, we don’t cure anybody. And not everybody lives a lot longer than they were supposed to. Most people do. I just think that adding alternative, regardless of what you’re going to do with standards of care, when you start cleaning up the body and you do things that are going to help your cells function better, you’re just going to have a much better quality of life. Isn’t that what it’s all about?
I mean, I think our days are numbered before the foundations of the Earth are set. It’s just we have to decide what we’re going to do with them.
[00:33:01] Detective Ev: On the occasion that I’ve been fortunate enough to talk to people like you who add this functional side to people dealing with something so serious, this is par for the course, right? They are very honest in acknowledging there’s plenty of cases where you’re just extending the life. Although you have these crazy amazing stories, like the one with this guy that reminded you of your dad. It’s just so awesome to hear this.
One thing I want people to understand too. I’ll connect this, I was a really anxious kid as a kid. I had a panic disorder and lived so much of my life in fear and just being worried to do things.
Hope for Cancer Patients: The Beauty of Extension
Now what I do the older I get, I don’t do it in a fearful way, but let’s say you had six months left, and I knew that right now, I don’t do that because of any health condition. I just say, hypothetically, what if you knew that it was about six months until you weren’t going to be here anymore? Would you still not go do that thing? And almost every single time, with the exception of skydiving, I haven’t gotten myself onto that one yet, I’ve been able to work myself through the fear by just saying, well, yeah, of course I would do that.
Well, you’re an idiot. Nothing’s promised anyway, right? Like you don’t know that you have that other six months, so you might as well just go do that darn thing.
My point in mentioning this and how I’m connecting this is for you and your work and the work of these patients really, for them to be allowed an additional three years when they think they have two weeks, the quality of that life and the appreciation of that life for those three years while they’re here, I’m sure those hunting trips are a little different than the ones that they had 20 years ago. I’m sure there’s just a different beauty in the day-to-day stuff. And three years when you’re thinking like someone who know they might not be here tomorrow and is living life in that way, I think that is an amazing gift to be able to give.
Regardless of whether or not that man would’ve ended up passing away from cancer or not, to give that extension of life with that level of appreciation, that’s a pretty cool thing to be able to do with people.
Hope for Cancer Patients: A Blessing and Not a Curse
[00:34:45] Dr. Kevin Conners: I think one of the reasons why I titled my book Stop Fighting Cancer and Start Treating the Causes way back when I first started seeing people with cancer, I discovered that was a huge issue. Fear was a big issue. I just noticed in the people that had the attitude, well, it is what it is, and God is in control, I’m going to do everything on my part to get better, but I’m just going to trust him for the results, they ended up having the better results.
Versus a person who’s like freaking out, full of anxiety, can’t handle anything, you know, their life is in chaos, their anxiety is creating chaos in their home life. They have the attitude of these bumper stickers, you know, like F Cancer, right? And I get that people are angry when they get a serious diagnosis like this.
How can this be fair? You know, I’ve done everything right in my life, or whatever their justification is. They’re angry about their diagnosis. I understand that maybe that’s a phase that everybody has to go through, but I think you have to get to the other side. When I have patients that get to the point maybe that they understand that their cancer is a blessing and not a curse, I’ll tell you, they just have better results, and their quality of life is so much better.
I got a diagnosis, stage 4 cancer, and I’m on six years now. My type of cancer, not very successfully treated medically, so it was really easy for me to refuse chemo. Because the average person, when they get the stage 4 diagnosis to my cancer, your average life expectancy is about 15 months, and that was doing chemo.
Hope for Cancer Patients: We’re All Terminal
So, it was like, okay, well I ain’t doing that. So, I’ve been through it myself. And you do go through these anger stages and such, but you have to get to the other side and go, this is a blessing. Just like you said, you can count every day as a blessing.
You look at the world differently now. You could say, well, we should all do that. We should all look at like, what if you’re going to die tomorrow? How would you live today? But we don’t. You know, sometimes it takes the scare of a serious diagnosis. The truth is, we’re all terminal.
Detective Ev: No one’s getting out alive.
Dr. Kevin Conners: Nobody’s getting out of here. You can get hit by a bus this afternoon. It’s like, well, how are you going to live differently? What do you want to leave as your legacy? How people are going to look at you. And how their life is going to be changed because of what you did and what you said and how you lived and how you went through difficult times.
What kind of faith did you show when you went through difficult times? Who are you holding on to? I think those are so important lessons that you pass on to the generations that follow you and the people that you’ve been able to touch.
[00:37:34] Detective Ev: This is amazing. That’s what my aunt, although again, she did pass away from it, she also didn’t take any alternative routes for whatever it’s worth to the listener. But my aunt, I knew her well. We went to Christmas together and we went to Thanksgiving together. But you don’t really know someone sometimes in your family.
Hope for Cancer Patients: Free, Alternative Cancer Treatments
When I saw that, it was like she became the best version of herself. She went so deep into the mind and was so positive through all of this, in how she interacted with her family, herself, and the people around her.
What she ended up doing, this is not for me to say, I’m a believer myself but I don’t know what God’s plan is with all this. It’s sometimes hard for me to say that this wasn’t within the plan for my aunt to experience and pass this way because in her name, over the last two years, there’s been over $700,000, $800,000 raised for a nonprofit cancer center that now offers, go figure, alternative treatments to people with cancer for no cost. It is completely donation based.
They can get acupuncture, they have a community to talk to people, and that is in her name in our town because that was her vision. She knew she was going to pass at some point and just said, I want this done, someone figure this out. And the family, her best friend, a local guy, they have worked tirelessly to make this work.
So, is it my place to say it was supposed to happen? No, I’m just saying, looking at it now, it’s kind of hard to say that there wasn’t an amazing benefit from this. At the very least, it stemmed from her mindset around this. She said, I’m going to make the best out of this possible and not live the last few years of my life feeling sorry for myself every single day. Again, I can’t say that for myself cause I haven’t been through it, but there’s people that have done it. Look at how beautiful it is when they do.
Where to Find Dr. Kevin Conners
[00:39:13] Dr. Kevin Conners: Absolutely. That’s fantastic.
[00:39:15] Detective Ev: Yeah. Dr. Connors, where can people find you and your courses?
I think we’re going to have something worked out here and if something needs to be updated, I can release it accordingly when we get that updated. But I think there’s some type of discount our practitioners can get and our listeners.
[00:39:29] Dr. Kevin Conners: Yes, I believe so. Go to connorsclinic.com, and you’ll see our courses.
You’ll see, that’s our cancer website. You’ll see all that we have there. You can contact our office, talk to a real person. They can direct you and help you with any questions that you might have.
[00:39:48] Detective Ev: Thank you. I love having this connection because, given enough time, this is going to come up again. Hopefully not for myself, but for someone I care about.
I’ve had people come on for different reasons. This is the first time where it’s like, oh, now I actually feel like I have somewhere to call if this did happen.
Conclusion – Signature Podcast Question
I want to finish with the signature question that we always finish on the Health Detective podcast. It’s not cancer specific, we’re going a little more general now.
The question is, if I could give you a magic wand and you could get every single person in this world to do one thing for their health, so you can actually force them to do one thing, or you can get them to stop doing one thing, what is the one thing that you would get them to do?
[00:40:27] Dr. Kevin Conners: Nobody’s ever asked me that before. I think to ask better questions, really. It’s not to eat better or do this better. It’s, start asking themselves questions and not just be led like a sheep, I think. Yeah, just to learn to ask questions.
[00:40:47] Detective Ev: Excellent. Dr. Conners, thank you so much for today.
[00:40:50] Dr. Kevin Conners: All right, thank you.
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