Introduction
[00:00:00] Detective Ev: Well, hello, my friends. Welcome back to another episode of the Health Detective Podcast by Functional Diagnostic Nutrition. My name is Evan Transue, AKA Detective Ev. I will be your host for today’s show. We want to focus, today, on the reason why some clients stay sick and how to deal with them with Ginny Miller. She’s someone I’ve heard about many times in my five years at FDN.
I really can’t stress enough that that’s actually a pretty important thing to note because there are thousands of FDNs running around. It’s not like we all live in the same place. There’s FDNs in 50 countries around the world. So, to hear someone’s name brought up consistently, always in a positive and very impressive light, it makes you interested.
I was thinking about where we want to take the podcast, the next guest to have on. We have a bunch of people that help out with that. But of course, I have some ability to reach out to people myself and just get it figured out. I’m like, you know what? I want to talk to Ginny Miller. I heard of her a million times. Let’s figure out what she’s all about. And this woman did not disappoint. She has a really extensive background in terms of the education that she’s done for these types of things.
Yes, she is a Functional Diagnostic Nutrition practitioner, but she’s also done many other things. One of the main topics we’re actually going to home in on today is something called PSYCH-K. I had not heard about that before, but this is something to do with overcoming limiting beliefs, really addressing the subconscious mind.
Different Camps of Beliefs to Help Those That Seem to Stay Sick
I am fascinated by that subject. Even if you’re not fascinated by that, the bottom line is it is a modality meant to assist people with their limiting beliefs, with the trauma that they’ve dealt with, with that subconscious stuff – that stuff that’s deeply rooted in the back of their mind that could be preventing them from healing.
Now to be clear, and this is what I really love about Ginny, some people take it too far, one way or the other. I was in a boat at one point where I took it kind of too far to the functional side. I figured, well, if I just focus on the biology, I could always figure this out. That’s probably not completely true.
Similarly, I think it’s wonderful if we could just elevate our mindset so high that none of the biological stuff really matters. When I say none of the biological stuff matters, I should word that better. What I really mean is that none of the, in a sense, lifestyle stuff really does matter for optimizing our biology. So, to be clear, the biology is always an aspect.
But one camp kind of falls into, we need the functional lab testing always, and we need these diets to get the biology perfect. That’s all we need to do. We certainly don’t believe that at FDN, but that is what some camps believe.
Then there’s the other side where they think all of this is irrelevant. This is a less common camp, but I’ve seen it, where they believe, you get rid of those traumas, you really get that mindset down, and you can do just about anything.
Meeting in the Middle for Those That Seem to Stay Sick
Now I will be honest, as someone who’s very into mindset work and elevating our consciousness, I have some shred of belief that that just might be possible. But it’s almost irrelevant since I don’t see many people doing this, if any people doing this.
I would imagine that the mindset work that needs to be done to achieve that is probably something in the area of like meditating for 20 or 30 years straight, like some of these monks do. And surely those Buddhist monks do live incredibly long lives. They are able to predict their deaths. If you don’t know about this, this is actually a real thing, by the way.
There’s actually very large amounts of Buddhist monks, traditional monks, who, they’re able to basically say, hey, like, this is when I’m going to pass. It’s going to be this date and time. It’s not a prediction so much as they have such good control over their body that they can tell their time is coming and they’ll be able to more or less shut it off at that time. Again, I know that sounds wacky if you’ve never heard of it, but look it up. This is very well-documented. It’s pretty interesting.
My point is, I believe that there is a category of people out there who have figured that out. And that’s fantastic. But how many of us in today’s world have the desire, let alone the ability, to go do something like that for 20 or 30 years? And if that is what is necessary to achieve something like that, I think we got to meet in the middle. We probably have to do something that includes some of the functional lab testing, some of the mindset stuff, some of the lifestyle work.
Ginny Miller’s Background
Ginny is a wonderful combination of all of those things. She’s even someone who probably leans more towards that second camp I mentioned before. Not in a dogmatic sense, but in the sense that that was really the thing she needed to home in on to get her health under control.
I want to give her background really quick. I’m not going to talk so much about the educational stuff. We mentioned that pretty well in the podcast. That’ll also be in the description of this podcast, if you want to check it out.
But her background health wise is this. She practiced as a registered dental hygienist for over 20 years until she had a health crisis in 2012. She left the profession to embark on a profound healing journey to restore her balance and vitality. She had the now so common bucket of symptoms, known as mystery illness, that many people on this show kind of deal with. Eventually Ginny was given a variety of diagnostic labels, including Crohn’s disease, Lyme disease, mold illness, and breast implant illness.
She no longer believes that those labels are useful. Through changes in diet, lifestyle, significant detoxification protocols, along with emotional and energetic balancing modalities, she was able to successfully reverse the debilitating symptoms and now is living a joyful, vibrant life.
Ginny is a proud mom of four adult children and lives with her husband in the beautiful Monterey Bay Area of California.
Tangible Results for People Who Seem to Stay Sick
She loves to continually study and train in cutting-edge holistic health discoveries and modalities in order to better serve her clients. I think you guys are going to really love this episode.
And if you happen to see the video version of this, once it is out (the audio is always out before the video to be clear), the way this woman looks is just a testament to what she’s doing. You’ll be able to tell by the stories that she gives and the age of her children and stuff what age she is, roughly speaking, and this woman looks nothing like that. So, I think she knows what she’s talking about.
When I see someone with the tangible results, my ears perk up a little bit and I really start to listen. I encourage you to do the same. Without further ado, let us get to the episode.
All right. Hello, Ginny. Thanks so much for being here with us today.
[00:06:06] Ginny Miller: Hi, Evan. It’s great to be here.
[00:06:07] Detective Ev: It’s great to be talking to you. You’re one of those people that, I mentioned this to you when I reached out on Facebook, you’re one of those people that I’ve heard your name many different times, always in great ways throughout my five years at FDN.
I think it’s funny because there’s thousands of graduates. There are still people I’m meeting to this day that have been involved for 10 years, and I’ve never heard of them. They’ve never heard of me. It’s cool that the community is that large. But there’s other people that just come up consistently and you hear about them. So, I’m excited to hear about what you’re working on and what you’ve learned.
Look at The Whole Life of People Who Seem to Stay Sick
As the title already implies for those that are clicking on this podcast, this is going to go a bit of a different route. I think that’s the most fun part about our community as FDNs. Yes, a lot of us have this core system, it’s something that helps many of us. But we all have our different specialties and topics we’re obsessed with or other things that we learn.
Many people know me as the light guy. I love different things with artificial lighting, talking about that, and just natural light. But that’s not really in the main FDN course. So, we got to add other things in and that’s cool.
But to get started today, before I get too ahead of myself, I want to start where we always do on this podcast. I want to know what did your health symptoms look like? And when did they start? Like, what did that look like for Ginny?
[00:07:15] Ginny Miller: Well, sometimes it’s hard to put it into a nutshell cause it went off in different directions. But I would say when I take a look at why someone is where they are, I look at their whole life. I’ve done that with myself, starting with how I was born. Very young parents – 18 years old, both my parents when they had me. Doing the best they could, but didn’t have a lot of experience with raising a child.
Focusing on Traumas for People Who Seem to Stay Sick
When I was one years old, my father threw a ball at me, big ball, and I tried to catch it. I rolled over and broke my leg. Had a cast on for, I don’t know, months or something. By the time they took that off, I was limping.
Later as a teenager, I found out I had scoliosis, which we think, maybe, was related to that injury. It was also an emotional trauma. I believe that all the traumas that we have in our life do add up to affecting what’s going on in our energy field and our physical body. I had my share of those.
As a teenager, I always had really bad periods. I had acne. Then they put me on all kinds of antibiotics for years and even some steroids, things like that. That was not a good start for my microbiome. I did get married, had kids, but ended up in a kind of emotional, painful divorce that I think was another big hit to my immune system.
Then as I got closer to menopause, found out that years of being on birth control pills had led to growing a very large uterine fibroid, like one of the largest my doctor had ever seen. I went through some different procedures for that. One of them ended up with a traumatic injury, accidental injury, that happened during the surgery where they burned my leg.
It was a special type of surgery that needed grounding pads on my thighs. One of the grounding pads failed, manufacturer failure. I woke up with second to third degree burns across one thigh from this surgery. So, another traumatic event.
I had breast implants for over 20 years, which was leaking and causing all kinds of toxicity.
The Body Shutting Down on People Who Seem to Stay Sick
By the time I was 50, I was a dental hygienist. I’d been a hygienist for over 20 years. All of a sudden, all these little things that had been nagging, and I’ve been trying to deal with masking the symptom type thing, like the dam broke.
In retrospect, I know now that we had started construction on an addition in our older home. I suspect that there was also some toxicity from that, maybe even mold coming out. So, kind of the perfect storm.
And my kids, my younger kids, had just left for college. I think my body just said, okay, you’ve been pushing through all this stuff for so long. Your kids are gone. You’re still working as a dental hygienist. You don’t like it. If you don’t quit, I’m just taking you out.
One weekend, I just felt like I had a really, really bad flu. I mean, everything, hurt. Digestively, I was so constipated, I don’t think I’d gone for like a week. I think it was one of my younger sisters, learned about the GAPS diet at that point.
I was in bed, in pain. She came over and made me a big thing of chicken broth. And I think at that time I was trying to go vegan, and it wasn’t working. She gave me this chicken broth, she said don’t eat anything, just have the chicken broth. After a couple of days of that, I could get out of bed. I was starting to feel better.
Seeking for a Diagnosis by People Who Seem to Stay Sick
That was kind of like the start of, okay, maybe I need to change my diet and start looking at some things. But I was still in a victim mentality at that point, I was feeling like, woe is me. Why do I have all these things? What’s wrong with me? Is it my genes? I wanted a diagnosis just to validate that it wasn’t all in my head. I wasn’t crazy. I wasn’t lazy.
I have a wonderful husband, but he was looking at me like, you know, you don’t look that sick. Why can’t you go back to work? So, I started doing the hopping around to different specialists, the GI doctor. I was having neurological issues, so I was going to the neurologist and went up to Stanford.
I was convinced I had either Celiac or Crohn’s. They kept looking at me and going, no, you’re not fitting all of the little diagnostic ticks that we need to put you in that box. But I was pushing and pushing for a diagnosis so that I had a reason to say, see, I can’t go back to work because I have this thing. I was so sick I was even thinking I need disability, like permanent disability.
Eventually I saw a doctor at Stanford that had me swallow one of those PillCams, because I’d already been scoped. I’d done the colonoscopy and the endoscopy, and they couldn’t find anything. But once I swallowed the PillCam (This doctor was like 80 years old, still working.), he took the time to go through like eight hours of footage going down my whole intestinal track.
Looking for a Holistic Way for People Who Don’t Want to Stay Sick
He found, right in the middle of my small intestine, these ulcerations. He sent me the photos and he circled them. He goes, you have Crohn’s disease. I’m like, well, I went to a Crohn’s specialist, and she didn’t think I did cause I didn’t have diarrhea. He said, no, this is Crohn’s and we’re going to start you on entry level medication. I didn’t like the idea of medication, but I was so desperate. I was like, okay, I’ll do anything.
So, I buy this stuff. It was like, out of pocket, $400 for a month’s worth of this stuff. I took it for two weeks. I can’t remember what it was, but it made me sicker than ever, Evan. I was on the floor in pain, crying. I think it was that moment that I just, I looked up and I said, I’m not going to any more doctors.
All the tests that they had me do were making me worse. You know, I had MRIs that were filling my body with all kinds of toxic crap. I ate radiated toast one time to see what was going on. And I was just getting worse and worse and worse.
At that moment, that was the end of 2012, I said, I’m going to find a holistic way. I do not want to live in pain for the rest of my life. I have too much I want to do. I want to be a good wife, a good mother.
Staying in Victim Mentality by People Who Seem to Stay Sick
I started exploring things. And it was Sean Croxton. I think a lot of people got turned on to FDN from Sean Croxton’s Underground Wellness Show. He had Reed Davis on, and I was like, cool. I already had a science background and I wanted to look at the root causes. I liked the idea of these other kinds of tests.
So, I enrolled in FDN, like a lot of us, to heal myself. Started learning about all these things I had done over the years that had messed up my microbiome, all kinds of parasites, SIBO, you name it. Then went down all kinds of rabbit holes, MTHFR, probably on the spectrum of EDS, pyroluria. I mean, I investigated all these things.
But I was still kind of in that victim mentality. Even though it was empowering to know that there was a reason why it was so messed up, it still was kind of like, oh, poor me. I got the bad genes so I’m kind of destined to have issues. I’m going to be a highly sensitive person my whole life, and my life will be about healing myself.
I didn’t really, at that point, foresee myself creating a life where I could travel or have a vibrant wellness business. I just felt like I’m going to be a sick person. But slowly, as I got better through FDN, I had more mental capacity because the brain fog had gotten really bad.
Dealing with Mold by People Who Seem to Stay Sick
I started seeing some clients and after about a couple of years of doing FDN very slowly, I started feeling like, okay, I think I’m out of the woods. Then we had a roof leak and we had, turns out, hidden mold in our dining room.
I didn’t realize it, but I had gone down to Las Vegas, was feeling really good there, dry climate. Came back home after everything had kind of dried up in the dining room. But every time I walked in the dining room, bam, I’d get hit with like dizziness and nausea, just feeling like I got hit with a truck. I’m like, what the heck? I thought I was better. What’s going on?
It was a friend who said in our area (I live in Monterey, California, very moist environment), there’s a lot of hidden mold. You don’t always see it, you don’t even smell it. We had a mold inspector come in and do an ERMI Test, which is the way mold doctors like you to screen your house. And yeah, high mold.
I am sensitive to that too, so I had to do a whole mold healing protocol. But learned a lot through that and made a lot of friends in that mold environment and started to specialize in helping people with mold illness. I started working with those kinds of people, sorta really sick.
Then when you get on the Facebook support groups, oh my gosh. Talk about victim mentality again. It’s like, I’ve got this house, I can’t remediate it. Do I give away all my stuff? People are in severe fight or flight mode when they’re dealing with mold.
Adding to the Toolbox to Help Those Who Stay Sick
My colleagues and I, we started going, okay, so what else, what’s the missing pieces here? That’s when I found Wendy Myers, who is also an FDN. So many people I met through FDN that went on to bigger and deeper things. I learned about bioenergetics, became a NES practitioner, learned how to do scanning of your biofield, and taking infoceutical remedies. That started to get me to that next level of energy, because I was still pretty low in energy.
Then I think maybe through Wendy as well, I started looking at trapped negative emotions, emotional traumas, and how do you heal those without going to psychotherapy for years and years, which often doesn’t really do it. I got into some emotional healing work and just kept building that toolbox, helping myself, turning other people onto it.
Then the COVID started and that’s where I kind of put my whole practice on hold to get into health freedom, and the whole truth movement locally with my local community. Became a leader, stepped into leadership, which was an amazing personal growth opportunity for me because I’d always shied away from leadership. But no one else was doing it. I was like, okay, I’ve got to be the leader that I’m looking for in this arena.
The last thing that I got certified in, I know it’s crazy all these certifications, but everything has built one thing on top of the other. Actually, there’s two last things. One was The Wellness Code Academy that started right as the pandemic hit. That’s Jennifer Ellis-Schuetz’s program.
Self-limiting Beliefs by People Who Seem to Stay Sick
That was incredible because it wove together. She did a lot of the same kind of modalities that I did, the bioenergetics, emotional healing, and then all the foundational stuff that we do with FDN – the diet the rest. But she brought it all together in this amazing comprehensive program. Then she and I, and another FDN went up to Oregon and got, it’s not certification, but we became facilitators in something called PSYCH-K. I’ll tell you all about that a little later.
That was kind of like the deepest level I could get to because it gets into the subconscious programming that we all pick up mostly up until age seven, that can start running the show and causing self-sabotage. If you’re working with clients that know what to eat, they got your protocol, they know what they’re supposed to be doing, but they don’t do it. They’re trying to use the willpower and they most often have this self-limiting belief that’s totally unconscious that is preventing them from achieving their goals.
So doing PSYCH-K was one of the big breakthroughs for me to believe that I could run a successful health coaching practice and actually make money doing it. Because up until then, I was just in that mode that I think a lot of us get into, imposter syndrome. Just thinking I’m not well enough, I’m not beautiful enough, I haven’t had enough experience, so I can’t do this. But through the PSYCH-K process, I was able to break through that. Now I just turned 60 and I’m feeling happier and healthier than ever before.
I’m so glad that I have been on this journey since 2012 and just explored so many things. So that’s the nutshell version.
Are FDNs Aging in Reverse?
[00:21:07] Detective Ev: Well, Hey, that’s awesome. That gives me a lot to unpack. I appreciate you saying your age because I can never say it. I don’t want to. You can always tell when something’s working. Because I was doing the math, I’m like okay, I know what she has to be based on what she said.
It’s really amazing how many FDNs do not look that age that they are at all. I think Reed Davis is like the ultimate testament to this, right? I mean, the guy’s almost 70, he looks amazing. He’s running around at conferences, speaking, traveling every week. That is a lot on the body. That’s a lot on my body to travel and do stuff all the time. Let alone what he’s doing. It’s pretty cool.
Commercial Break – Try the FDN Course for Free
Hey, hey. It is Detective Ev here popping in really quick. Maybe you want to be like Reed Davis, like myself, and like Ginny. You could travel all the time. Feel really good while doing it. What you want to do then is try out the FDN course. You can do this completely free now by going to fdntraining.com/tryfdn.
What we did is we kind of just came to the conclusion that there are plenty of people, too many unfortunately, in a sense, that need this type of information. You don’t really have to do crazy sales stuff or even crazy marketing stuff. Just let people try it. The people that want this and need this, they’re going to go into the course as a result of getting to see it for free. Those that don’t belong here, they’re not going to do it. And they have no bad blood because of it because they didn’t have to spend a dime.
So, go to fdntraining.com/tryfdn, and you can start the beginning part of the FDN course completely for free, no credit card required.
Back to the episode.
Subconscious Programming for Any Area of Life
I can’t wait to dive into the PSYCH-K stuff. But I appreciate the story that you just told. Honestly, this is why I love this job. I love getting to hear people’s journeys and stuff, but some people have really done that work. You took so many of the questions that I would have asked normally, right out of my head and gave us this really congruent story that’s like, okay, whoa, this is how we got to where we’re at.
You’re like many of us where we can go back in time and see how this stuff started so young. If we don’t get on top of this, or if we aren’t lucky enough to meet someone who kind of helps direct our path, we could deal with this stuff indefinitely.
I was in a similar boat in terms of like dealing with this from a young age, five years old. I’m a huge, huge believer in the subconscious programming, very big studier of that. I’ve used it a lot in the business sense, but then I realized eventually, whoa, this can help in any area of your life if you actually buy into it. I didn’t even know that was the route that we were going to take with the PSYCH-K thing. I think it’s highly important and I’m excited even more so now to learn about that.
I guess one question I want to ask before we touch into that specific modality is something regarding the victim mentality. I think even in our space, although people are more open to the personal development type of stuff and get out of this or at least are trying to get out of it, I think it does confuse a lot of people and it even upsets them sometimes.
Looking at Negative Experiences as Opportunities for Growth
Some people would look at the story that you just gave and say, well, wait a second, she is a victim. Look at all that stuff that happened to her. It’s not that maybe by definition someone is not a victim of something, but we’re talking about the victim mindset and how that doesn’t serve people, I believe.
So, what is the difference between those things? Can someone be a victim, like literally speaking, while also not having a victim mindset? And why does the victim mindset not serve people no matter how bad what happened to them is?
[00:24:22] Ginny Miller: Such a good point. It’s not to minimize anyone’s suffering or that, maybe they did get messed up by a medical procedure. Maybe they did have some things done to them as a child, traumatic things. But if you hold onto that feeling that you have no responsibility in that and that it’s looking outside of yourself, then it’s disempowering, I believe in the long run. Because what’s to stop something like that from happening to you again, if you feel like at any moment, you could become a victim because the world is scary and you’re vulnerable and stuff?
I’ve been able to transcend that mentality. You’ll see with PSYCH-K that it’s about feeling at peace with whatever’s going on and making the best out of it and looking at trauma or negative experiences – challenges that you’ve had – as opportunities for growth. Just like Reed says about if there’s something going on, we find it on a lab as parasites, overgrowth of something, well, okay. Not good, but great opportunity for healing. Right?
Forgiving, Empowering, Learning, & Growing for People Who Don’t Want to Stay Sick
We turn it around; we flip it around. Acknowledge the pain. We don’t stuff that because stuffing emotions and pain really just festers inside you and causes more health issues usually. So, it’s acknowledging it.
But then there’s a forgiveness almost that needs to come from the victim, so-called victim, to the perpetrator, that is not for the perpetrator’s benefit. It’s for your benefit to say, okay, that happened and I’m going to forgive so that I can move on. Then empower myself to learn something from that and figure out how did I play a role in that?
Do I need to set better boundaries? Do I need to educate myself on something? Do I need to tap into my intuition better so that I don’t allow that? And do I need to think about my vibration? I’m all about raising frequency and vibration by our thoughts and feelings and deeds. If we stay in the low vibration emotions of despair, depression, self-doubt, self-deprecation, we attract more of that.
With PSYCH-K, I’ll explain that sometimes we have to use tools that go beyond mantras, positive thinking, law of attraction type stuff, because that only goes so far. The reason is because our subconscious runs at least 95% of the show of what’s manifesting in your life. So, those other tools don’t always work.
A Victim Mentality of People Who Seem to Stay Sick
[00:27:22] Detective Ev: Well, it’s a great answer. I love that you used the word it’s disempowering because that’s actually the exact way that I look at this. I had some things happen, mostly mental health wise for the majority of that young life, 5 to 18, and it led to not graduating high school. I go into Juvie for a little bit, like it was really bad.
I took actions, of course, that led to those consequences. But it is also fair to say that if Evan Transue never had mental health issues, I don’t think I would have wound up in those specific situations. I do think that’s accurate. I genuinely believe that. But the bottom line is once the bad has happened and the things have occurred, you’re left with this.
You can look at this as, oh my God. Look at all this terrible stuff that’s happened. This is awful, unfair, whatever. You have a very short life, so you can spend your time here dwelling on that. Or if you take responsibility for something, even if it’s not your fault. It is no fault of a five-year-old to ask for panic attacks or severe depression at like 15. No.
No one’s saying that’s anyone’s fault. Okay. So again, by definition, I’m sure if we looked it up, the word victim would probably apply to a lot of people in a varying way. But leading life with that mindset, you are just revictimizing yourself over and over and over again. No one’s winning with that. When we blame something or someone else constantly, we take away the power from getting better.
A Mentality of Shutting Down by People Who Seem to Stay Sick
I know this won’t sound funny to you, but it might sound funny initially to the audience, but I always like to connect this thing from Robert Kiyosaki. He’s a guy that wrote a famous book called Rich Dad, Poor Dad. It’s in the self-help space. It’s a basic finance book. I like to connect this one for people cause I think it separates it. Then they can get out of themselves for a second and hear what he said.
He said that his rich dad, which was a friend’s dad, more or less, that made a lot of money, was very wealthy. His poor dad, it was his dad, he loved him, but he just didn’t make a lot of money and worked his butt off for not many fruits of that labor. He said to his rich dad, one time that he couldn’t afford something. His rich dad said, you don’t ever say, you can’t afford it. You say, how can I afford it?
And I’m not saying this is identical, but it is actually conceptually similar to what we’re talking about today. When you say that you cannot afford something, you shut off these faculties in your brain and your thoughts, and now you have no chance of figuring it out.
I am not saying that if someone’s making $50,000 a year, all of a sudden, you’re going to change one thought and now you’re getting a Ferrari the next day. That’s ignorant. But I know for a fact, when I just say, well, I can’t afford it. I have shut down any probability of me getting that now. Versus if I say, how can I afford this?
A Mentality of Creative Flow for People Who Don’t Want to Stay Sick
This is an amazing thing that we have. For those on audio I’m pointing to my brain, but technically, I mean my mind, which is a separate thing. That’s an amazing thing we’ve been given. We can really come up with some cool stuff with that.
Similarly, the reason I connect that, people can usually see how that’s relevant or at least a fair enough point (maybe if I thought about how could I afford it), if I sit at 18, and say, man, this sucks. I can’t believe this happened to me. This is BS. This is a bunch of crap. Well, I have shut down all the creative faculties that I’ve been given as a human being to figure out how to get out of that mess. Versus saying, you know what? This does suck. It is not my fault, but I’m here now. I am a capable human being, I’m an adult. What could I do?
Like you said, what role did I play in this? What vibration was I operating out of? What could I do differently in the future that might not lead me to this situation? I know this sounds so elementary for certain people, but for me at the time, it was like, okay, maybe I could stop using substances every day. That would probably be a good first step. Right? I can control that. You know, maybe I can start talking about my problems instead of repressing them for 13 years. That would be a good step.
A Mentality That Believes and Helps People Not Stay Sick
You guys already see what I mean? I apologize to go off here because I normally don’t like to do much talking on the podcast. But I’m so passionate about what you’re saying, because it’s essential on people’s healing journey. When we open up those faculties again and get out of that victim mindset, that is how you heal. And you can heal just about anything.
I think this podcast has already proven that, let alone what will continue to prove throughout the years. But you got to get through that. It’s the same exact reason there are certain FDNs (I won’t mention names, but certain FDNs, and you know them, Ginny), that have come through, this is the only course they ever take. Those people go off and make, $200,000, $250,000 a year. Then others, they got a long list of 15 certifications, and they barely take in three clients because they don’t feel that they’re worthy to actually help people.
That is not just a luck thing. Luck is involved in life; I’m not saying that. But that is not a luck thing. Those people just happen to believe, okay, cool. I can go do this. I can make a business out of this, and they go and do it. They help a bunch of people. Everyone loves them and they’re making great money doing it.
Then others, you got people that their IQ is off the chart, but because of that mindset that they’re in, all the certifications in the world can’t lead to a successful business.
I will get off my soap box. I hope that you found that at least somewhat useful and relevant.
Being Empowered by Other People’s Journeys
[00:31:46] Ginny Miller: Great! Thank you for sharing that.
I just started learning about your journey. I was checking out some of your other podcasts and it’s so wonderful what you’ve done.
[00:31:56] Detective Ev: FDN has been a huge part of that. Just like you said, it’s cool how many people have been involved in this. Then we go on and do our own thing.
[00:32:01] Ginny Miller: I’m gonna use the opposite thing here. Not that you look old at all, but for your young age, you are amazing. You’ve had so much personal growth. I applaud you for that.
[00:32:15] Detective Ev: I appreciate that. I always say, it’s like taking responsibility for stuff, but then life does help us out with some luck sometimes.
I’ll never forget. I was 18 years old, a mentor of mine, like a friend three and a half years older, that I was lucky enough to meet, shear chance, Ginny. He handed me three books and he said, you’re going to read these. It was The 10X Rule by Grant Cardone. It was The Compound Effect by Darren Hardy and Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill.
I’m not saying I understood the depth of any of those books at that time, but I had never even known that successful people wrote books and shared their journey with you for $15. Never even dawned on me. Didn’t read a book since I was like 12 years old and was forced to. That’s empowering too when we read other people’s journeys.
Yeah, a lot of luck mixed with some hard work, just like most of us. I hope that this podcast can be someone’s luck. That’s one of the reasons I like doing this for FDN.
The Modality of PSYCH-K for People Who Seem to Stay Sick
[00:33:01] Ginny Miller: Can I just say, I don’t believe in luck. I think you manifested it for some reason.
[00:33:08] Detective Ev: I just may have, but I can’t get too woo-woo on the podcast. They might kick me off. No, I’m kidding.
All right. I want to talk about PSYCH-K. I know this is something that you wanted to mention. Genuinely, I do not know what this is. I have heard it for what I believe is the first time through you messaging me when you were talking to me, what you’re doing now.
Let’s just start off simple. What is this? Does it stand for something? Then again, maybe kind of explaining what that modality actually does and is for.
[00:33:30] Ginny Miller: It’s PSYCH, P S Y C H dash K. It was developed 30 years ago by a gentleman named Rob Williams. He was doing counseling and things like that and was looking for fast and easy way to help people reprogram self-limiting beliefs that were causing sabotage. He had looked at clinical hypnotherapy, things like that, but that seemed like a more drawn out complicated process. He wanted something that was more streamlined, kind of a really fast mindset change process.
If you read his book, he describes it was actually kind of a download, but he got it cause he asked for it. He got the download, wrote it all out, and created these processes that you can learn and workshop. Up until COVID you had to go in person to get this training, to either use it on yourself or become a facilitator, is what they call it to work with other people. But now I think you can actually do some online stuff. Times have changed.
The Biology of Belief & The Honeymoon Effect for People Who Seem to Stay Sick
So, have you heard of Dr. Bruce Lipton by any chance?
[00:34:41] Detective Ev: Absolutely. I listened to The Biology of Belief, like four or five years ago.
[00:34:44] Ginny Miller: He’s been one of my heroes for a long time. I just love him and talk about empowering! I mean, he’s one of the people that I think he did coin the term epigenetics.
So, instead of being a victim to our genes, the environment that the DNA is in helps dictate its expression. Right? So that not only means the cell, because he is a cell biologist. He studied the actual environment that the cells were growing in, in Petri dishes and how when we change the culture, the expression of a stem cell would change.
Then he expanded that out to realize as human beings, the environment that we are living in, including our experiences, our beliefs, our thoughts, our words, that all has an effect on our DNA. So, Biology of Belief. Yes. It’s a must read for everybody; I think.
But he is a huge proponent of PSYCH-K. When I heard that, I was like, okay, Bruce likes this. I got to check it out. His newest book is The Honeymoon Effect. It’s about, if you think about when you’re in love, new romance, nothing can ruffle your feathers. You’re just like on cloud nine, you feel great. Your kids are screaming in the background or something, and you’re just like, ah, I don’t care because you’re high on endorphins from being in love or you’re on a honeymoon.
It’s just like, the world is perfect. Well, is the world really perfect? Have things changed? Has your situation really changed or has your perception changed?
Strengthening the Conscious Mind for People Who Don’t Want to Stay Sick
It’s really about how we want to perceive our circumstances and we can change that. When we change that, things change in our body. Our chemistry can change if we are thinking about love and joy and compassion, we create different hormones. So, the basis of PSYCH-K is that, if we know that if we change our perception and our thoughts, we can change our life and improve our health or any goal that we have, whether it’s our finances or relationships. How do we do that?
Well, there’s just being mindful, being conscious of your thoughts. But the reality is unless you’re really good and have done a lot of practice on mindfulness, the reality is at least 95% of our cognitive activity is coming from the subconscious mind. So that’s huge. And the subconscious mind processes, 40 million bits of data per second. Whereas our conscious mind can only do 40 bits.
When you compare those two things, your subconscious mind is a million times more powerful and it’s really dictating what you’re doing in your life when you’re not focusing on something. The vast majority of us are, during the day, thinking about the past or what we’re going to do in the future. We’re not so focused on what we’re doing, so we’re kind of on autopilot.
Think about when you’re driving your car and you’ve driven for an hour. You’re just like, oh, I don’t even remember driving. It just got there.
Reprogramming the Subconscious for People Who Don’t Want to Stay Sick
If there are things in your programming that you received up to age seven (is when we’re absorbing, just like sponges, getting all this stuff), you talked about Robert Kawasaki, what if your family believes that only selfish people got a lot of money and were rich? If you were really a good person, you’re probably going to stay poor.
What if that was reinforced and became part of your subconscious programming? Then as an adult, you might be doing all the things, you take the business course and you’re trying so hard. You’re like, yes, I want to be abundant. You’re saying your mantras, but you don’t follow through with what you’re going to do. You keep thinking, I’m not good enough. You don’t attract the clients.
Maybe it’s because that subconscious mind is really running the show and dictating your behavior. You’re not even aware. It’s like your invisible behavior that’s causing the sabotage. You could go to a hypnotherapist and try to delve into that and do hypnotherapy, but it tends to get really expensive and complicated.
So, Rob Williams’ process is much more direct. In fact, you can often take a belief that you’ve had for many, many years and reprogram that with sometimes 15 to 20 minutes of this process, that they call balances. There’s these balances that we do in PSYCH-K. Essentially, what they’re doing is creating a whole brain state. That’s when your right side of your brain and your left side of your brain are working simultaneously together rather than one being dominant.
When you’re in that state, it’s like almost being an infant again. You’re in this super learning state and you can put new statements, goal statements, programs into your brain and they actually override the old program.
Changing Limiting Beliefs for People Who Don’t Want to Stay Sick
So, if the old program was to be rich, I have to be selfish. Then you put the new program in which is I attract abundance as I serve people honorably, something like that.
We actually use muscle testing, energetic testing. If the person is in front of you, you have them put their arm out and you do the measuring. A lot of people do that for checking supplements and things like that. But if you connect to someone’s subconscious mind, that subconscious mind knows when something is true or false, it’s kind of like the lie detector test.
If it’s true, if it’s a true statement that the person is making, they will stay strong. Their arm will stay up as you push on it. If their subconscious does not believe that they will go weak. That means they don’t believe it, that’s not a true statement.
If I were to test a client to see, do you believe you can get well, I have them make that statement, I am capable of healing, and they go weak, then we know that there’s a subconscious program that’s saying, no, you can’t heal. You’re always going to be sick. You’re a victim. We do some processes. Sometimes it’s just a few, other times we have to go deeper and get to some really core beliefs about their worthiness, self-love, connection to source energy, things like that.
Following Through with Goals for People Who Don’t Want to Stay Sick
Eventually we can get to the point where I can have them at the end of the session either put their arm out if they’re in person or, believe it or not, this can be done through zoom calls or even over the phone, remotely connecting to that person’s subconscious. They just have to give permission and we can do that.
There’s ways to check to make sure you’re connected. I can, at the end of the appointment, say, okay, repeat after me, I’m capable of healing. If they stay strong where they had been weak before, we know that we reprogramed that limiting belief. Then that person can actually set some action steps they’re going to take over the next couple of days, that will help their conscious mind believe that they are actually capable of now fulfilling that goal of healing.
Maybe we want to get more specific, I’m gonna heal this constipation in the next two weeks. So, they do something over the next couple of days to affirm that. They do their coffee enema that they had been saying, yeah, I’ll do that, but I dunno, it kind of creeps me out. I don’t want to do it. But once they believe they can and that will benefit them, all of a sudden, they can follow through with a goal that before, they could not, for some reason. They had a block and would not follow through with. Does that make sense?
Imaginative Meditations for People Who Seem to Stay Sick
[00:43:38] Detective Ev: It absolutely does. I find it interesting that the muscle testing’s combined with it. I’m a novice with it, but I’ve had interesting experiences with muscle testing being done on me. I believe there’s something to it, you know?
It’s tough because I was my whole life, such a skeptic of all this stuff. Now I’m like the biggest, I don’t even know what you want to call it, woo-woo, spiritual type of person in the world. Truth be told, if you actually do dive into the science, this stuff just becomes more and more scientifically validated by the month, let alone the year. It’s hard to comprehend.
There is actually, what I found, there can be stuff in science that does not mean that we easily comprehend it as true, just because we can read it in the scientific literature, even Bruce Lipton’s stuff. You can read that book all you want, but to truly (and maybe I’m just speaking for myself), digest what you’re reading, that’s like, whoa, like what does this actually mean? What are the implications of what this just said to me in my day-to-day life? It’s pretty fascinating.
So, I guess it does make sense as much as it can at this moment because I’m really big on this kind of stuff. For me, what has worked in the past are these like imaginative scenes, right? Where I get into a deep state of meditation and I’m imagining the exact thing that I want. That has worked. It has worked multiple times. It has worked with highly specific things. It’s been pretty fascinating to see it work. I am always fascinated by new systems or methods that we can use as humans to achieve these results quicker.
Mindset Work for People Who Seem to Stay Sick
Because yes, some people can take years and they do get the result that they wanted, and that’s brilliant. But then others are able to like turn it on pretty quick. And it sounds like this could be a system where ideally it’s allowing you to do this a lot quicker than other systems in the past.
So, why did this mean so much to you? Because you’re a very well-read person, you’re someone who’s been through a lot of different things. Yet this was the one that you choose to talk about today and obviously use with your clients. Like, what did this do for you that was so profound compared to maybe some of the other stuff that you had been through or studied?
[00:45:27] Ginny Miller: I think things happen kind of in a divine sequence. I would not have been ready for PSYCH-K a couple of years ago. I had to get introduced to, well, it was actually probably Reed Davis introducing me to EFT way back. I graduated in 2014 from FDN. So that kind of introduced me to the idea of what we call energy psychology.
There’s a whole bunch of modalities, EMDR and holographic repatterning. PSYCH-K is just one of a group. There’s probably at least 20 that I can think of now that are on the horizon here. And you’re right, science is validating all this. It kind of does almost take a spiritual leap to fully be able to accept that.
Quantum physics, when you start looking at that, that starts getting really deep and more spiritual in my mind.
Grounding to Get More Accurate Results
So, there was evolution, I did Emotion Code and Body Code first before PSYCH-K. Those also use muscle testing. You can just do the ring and ring thing or use your arm like that. Then Jennifer Ellis-Schuetz taught me how to use a pendulum to energy test. Yes, it can be misused. Or if the person doesn’t get really grounded, they’re not taking it seriously, I don’t think the results are always accurate.
You want to make sure you’re working with somebody that’s really taking it seriously and had thorough training in this. I have, but I can also recognize on a day that I’m not super grounded. Before I get in with a client, I’ve got to stop, I got to hydrate myself because hydration is really important when you’re energy testing.
I have to do a grounding visualization. I wear my harmonized pendants, things like that and take my ego out of it, my bias, and just ask for help from up above. Just ask for guidance in getting the best results for the client. Then I give gratitude in advance that we’re going to have a great session and we’re going to get some really good, good results for the person. All that really, really counts.
But I have to say, with PSYCH-K it was actually a good friend of mine, Kate Ritter, another FDN, who went through mold illness with me. We explored all kinds of stuff together. She would find something and say, hey, did you try this? And we’d do that together. And then I tell her about something.
Experiencing Transformational Shifts with PSYCH-K
But she got into PSYCH-K first and had amazing results with her relationship with her husband and food sensitivities, all kinds of stuff. So, I, just on her recommendation, jumped in.
Then Jen Ellis-Schuetz and Shannon Wallace, FDNs, are ones who, when I told them about PSYCH-K, they’re like, Ooh, that sounds good. We, all three, went to Portland, Oregon together. We spent that whole summer of, I guess it was 2021, going up to these three different workshops. Every workshop we just would leave like, oh my God, the shifts, transformational stuff.
The biggest thing for me is a sense of peace, and like, I can handle anything in life, no matter what, COVID crap, the end of the world, all the bickering I have been seeing with families and stuff, because of the controversy. I just take a deep breath.
Looking at Adverse Events as Gifts
I’ll do a PSYCH-K balance, we call it. I just feel like I can handle it. I feel calm and very connected to source energy. I’m not a religious person, but more than ever, I feel very adamant that there’s more to life than just this physical world. That gives me a lot of comfort. I’m not afraid of dying, so I don’t have fear about any of that anymore.
I just, I’ve learned through PSYCH-K actually to look at every adverse event in my life as a gift. It’s really helped me decide what I want to experience and what I don’t want to experience. It’s empowered me, and it’s always connected me to cool people and new ways of thinking, and problem-solving, and, well, here’s a challenge. Let’s put on our detective cap, like what we’re doing here, figure out and thank God for the internet.
There’s so many things out there. Just when I think I’ve done it all, Evan, I learn about some other cool modality. If I could clone myself 10 times, I would take every single course that came my way. But I’ve had to learn to say no. Okay, I’m good.
Coming Into Your Calling
[00:50:25] Detective Ev: I don’t know how people are ever bored in today’s world. When I hear that, I’m like, are you crazy? Like for me, the internet has been, I don’t want to spend all day on it. You know what I mean? But I am just someone who has always been asking questions since I was a kid.
It’s just, it never ends. I could spend the rest of my life just asking this question and then leading to that one and this one and be infinitely entertained. It’s pretty cool. I think what’s interesting is, I love to help people come to their specific thing. Who knows maybe in five, 10 years for you, it’ll be something else. And that’s fine.
But I talk to so many people who do such a variety of different courses and learn so many different modalities and they really find the one that resonates for them. Whatever that is for them, they’re able to really serve people because that’s like their thing, that’s their calling. That was their little missing piece of the puzzle. It’s certainly going to be someone else’s missing piece of their puzzle, you know?
So, I want to be clear for people that are listening, who is your ideal client nowadays? I’m assuming that you do more than just PSYCH-K with them. I mean, that’s obviously a passion of yours, but there’s other things there.
Ginny’s Ideal Client
Let’s say someone’s listening right now and they’re like, well, I really like Ginny. I think she’s cool. But I personally, because I haven’t asked this yet, I haven’t been clear on like who your ideal or target client is. Could we maybe like describe that person? So if they are listening, they realize, oh, okay, I should go work with her.
[00:51:40] Ginny Miller: Thank you for giving me that opportunity. I do have packages that I offer to people. But I also have services because I have all these tools and I haven’t been able to just say, I don’t want to do this anymore. I still give people the opportunity to just book one session. So, if they want to do one session of PSYCH-K, or three sessions for a discount, they can do that.
They can do emotion or body code. They can do Heartmath training. I do help people with that as well. I also have two bioenergetic scanning devices where I can scan their whole energy field and send them healing frequencies or help them find remedies that are energetic. I love all that stuff too.
But because PSYCH-K is, I believe, so foundational to any healing is to rewire those limiting beliefs, that’s one that I really would like to work with people on that are attracted to that type of thing. Usually, it seems like it’s people that have already done a lot of other modalities and they’ve made improvements just like I have with every single thing that I’ve done. There’s never been something that I felt like, wow, that was a waste of time and money. I’ve always gotten something out of it.
Programs Ginny Offers
But you know, if you’re like me, and it sounds like you too, just want to keep getting to that next level of wellness and vibrancy. Someone’s already done a lot and they feel like they’ve kinda conquered many of their lower-level health issues, and they’re now looking for their purpose, their passion, their mission in life. They want to make sure they don’t have any negative programming that could be holding them back from any of their goals. I really like working with those kinds of people.
A lot of times they are people that are already practitioners or been on this journey for a while. If it’s somebody who wants a comprehensive package, I have one for people that don’t have enough energy physically, like tired, but it’s a little bit of play on words. We’re helping their energy field so that they can have energy for life. I have that program, it’s nine sessions.
Basically, we customize that to what they’re attracted to out of those modalities. I have them look at my website and read about everything. What sounds like it resonates with you? If they don’t know, we can use energy testing to see where to start. A lot of times we want to start with their core beliefs with the PSYCH-K. Do you have enough self-love and things like that? Do you feel supported by the universe?
Where to Find Ginny Miller
But then we can also bring in the bioenergetics. We can also do food testing. I still do some zoomers with people, especially the wheat zoomer. Sometimes that’s the missing piece that they’ve never looked at. They don’t realize they might have hidden wheat in their life that’s causing inflammation, so we can still go down those routes.
Then I have another package for people that want to step into their power, their authenticity, and really feel capable of speaking their truth, whether it’s in their business or with their family, whatever. Then we customize that package. But they’re both like nine sessions that they can use over a six-month period, as often as they want. I offer email support in between. Yeah, those are my ideal people to work with.
[00:55:24] Detective Ev: Wonderful. And of course, we’ll have this in the show notes, but I always like to ask it explicitly. Where can people find you if they want to get in contact to learn more?
[00:55:31] Ginny Miller: My website is newvibrantyou.com. When you go there, within a couple of minutes you’ll see a popup where you can put in your email and receive a PDF of my morning routine for vibrant energy. You’ll get that and you can do a discovery call. I offer a free 30-minute discovery call so that we can just talk and see if I’m a person that can help you, what your goals are, and just have a little chat.
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Health Detective Signature Question
[00:56:02] Detective Ev: All right, Ginny, our time flew by today, it’s probably because I’m highly interested in the topic. So, I thought this was cool. I appreciate you coming on.
But I do want to finish up with the signature question on the Health Detective Podcast. And that question is this. If in this case, we could give you, Ginny, a magic wand and you could get every single person in this world to do one thing for their health, whether that’s literally do one thing or stop doing one thing, what is the one thing you’d get them to do?
[00:56:30] Ginny Miller: Of course, it’s hard because there’s so many things, but I have come to believe that getting in nature and especially barefoot if possible, or at least touching a tree, getting your hands in the soil, connecting with nature as often as you can, is critical. I mean, it’s as important as sleeping and eating and all that other stuff. But that’s what we’ve lost in today’s modern society.
I love my computer too, believe me. But we’re at our desks at the computer too long and not getting outside sunshine, fresh air.
[00:57:08] Detective Ev: I think so many of us definitely have the (well, I shouldn’t say this universally), but I think a lot of us have the nature thing down more than the average person, that’s for sure. I mean, I know how good I feel when I’m outside. I try to walk constantly, even in winter. That’s just something I always do.
Conclusion
One of the things that I’ve definitely missed out on is the grounding and earthing thing. I got to figure out a practical way to do that more. There is a huge tick problem where I live, so I just need to like douse my feet and legs in tick spray, and then put them in the grass and read out there or something. It seems like it’d be so easy and simple to do and yet I never get it done.
Or I got to find a good brand of shoes that does grounding for you. Not saying it does it for you, but you know what I mean, allows you to ground through that material.
If anyone has any brand recommendations, shoot me a comment on Podbean. Search for the Health Detective Podcast on Podbean. You can leave us a comment there. You can also leave a suggestion for a guest interview or topic, just so you know. But if you have grounding shoes, let me know which ones you like.
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